IWSF TC Issue

IWSF Tournament Council Issue: 670
Record at JT Fall Classic and Sunset Lake fall Classic
Date Opened 2020-11-05
Date Closed 2020-11-15
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Here is the issue

During the Sunset Lake fall Classic and the JT Fall Classic in Sunset Lakes, Groveland, FL on 04/10/2020 - 07/10/2020 we had 3 pending world record:
Dorien Llewellyn: Open Men Overall Record
Paige Rini: U-21 Overall Women Record
Jaimee Bull: U-21 Slalom Women Record

The end course videos have been verify by Bob and Donal.
They both agree that the boat path for the three submitted records are out of tollerance.

The 3 boat path measurements can be find at:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AiBKQXxbqN60hbtJMcvIocJioXE2Pw?e=VOQBAS

Link for Dorien:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AiBKQXxbqN60hbsqW1TNoBlM1o8_4g?e=RLN0Jq

Link for Pajge:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AiBKQXxbqN60hbsYKwuHeIw4QToHgg?e=QGIzxf

Ling for Jamie:
https://1drv.ms/u/s!AiBKQXxbqN60hbtAOKiR-FMhnUHA6Q?e=GQRtVP


Comment please
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2020-11-05
Felix Loreto has read the issue and has no comment
2020-11-05
Robert Ritter has read the issue and has no comment
2020-11-06
Ricardo Botas has read the issue and has no comment
2020-11-06
Gill Hill has read the issue and has no comment
2020-11-06
Christophe Duverger has read the issue and has no comment
2020-11-06
Larry Gisler comments: If the record are out of tolerance , it will be good see other results too
To see if the scores can be on the list
2020-11-06
Geoffrey Kee has read the issue and has no comment
2020-11-07
Candido Moz comments: As I received the 3 record at the same time I miss up the place and date:
For Pajge Rini the competition was:
Sunset Lakes Fall  Classic - 21S033
Sunset Lakes, Groveland, FL
04/10/2020

For Jamie and Dorien the competition was:
JT Fall Classic - 21S034
Sunset Lakes, Groveland, FL
07/10/2020

I\'m sure AWSA and PANAM will look carefully into the 2 tournaments, and will let us know any decision they will take.



2020-11-07
Dimos Alexopoulos has read the issue and has no comment
2020-11-07
James Timothy comments: Looking at all three end-course videos, the near gates are just over 1/3 screen width but the far gates are only 13% of screen width. Since a minimum of 1/6 (16.6%) is required for Ranking List, are the tournaments even L homologated? Grateful if some TCs could confirm.
2020-11-07
Geoffrey Kee has read the issue and has no comment
2020-11-07
Donal Connolly comments: I noticed this issue when I measured the passes. James is correct the end gate width does NOT meet the minimum requirement for a Ranking List tournament.
I believe the Judges were just watching the end course video at the tournament (no measurement system). This becomes very difficult when the zoom is not good enough. That is why the rule is there.
For a Tournament that had such a big effect on the Ranking List (it was used fifty four times in the Weekly list) I do not think this is good enough.
2020-11-07
Bruce Cockburn comments: I agree with Larry if 3 record boat paths are bad how many others are as well this tournament should be checked to see if scores should remain on ranking list
2020-11-07
Bob Corson comments: The tournament (21S034) is under investigation by AWSA.  The Pan Am TC has asked for a quick resolution before the ranking list publication.
2020-11-08
Richard Carlson has read the issue and has no comment
2020-11-08
Felix Loreto comments: I believe I have made this comment once or twice before.
End course video camera MUST see entry and exit gate buoys, so camera height is an issue.
Then, lens OPTICAL (not digital) power must be sufficient to have far gate buoys take NO LESS than 1/6 (16.67%) of screen width.
Then, resolution for that particular camera and its corresponding recording must be NO LESS than 640 x 480 (VGA), 720 x 480 (NTSC) or 720 x 576 (PAL - some will say PAL is 704 x 576).
And finaly, recording must be real time or better for each camera (30 ips NTSC or 25 ips for PAL)
I have seen videos where this criteria has not been met. We cannot have a quad recording (all four cameras in one frame where the total resolution is 720 x 480, thus making it only 360 x 240 per camera).Each camera MUST have and independant channel for recording in DVR/NVR.
Video recorder specs must be that above PER CHANNEL all channels driven at the same time plus running at least real time per channel.
Chief judge is responsible for all this together with TC/Homologator.
We cannot have competitors arriving at a site, breaking a world record and then finding out it is not valid. A lot of time, effort and money wasted by a lot of people.
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2020-11-14
Nigel Talamo has read the issue and has no comment

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