IWSF TC Issue

IWSF Tournament Council Issue: 607
Consideration of a new trick for approval Back BFL (BBFL) 650
Date Opened 2019-10-02
Date Closed 2019-10-30
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New Trick request:

Description
http://www.iwsf.com/iwsftc/2019/BBFL.pdf

Video
http://www.iwsf.com/iwsftc/2019/ING_3207.MOV
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2019-10-03
Bruce Cockburn comments: I have looked at this new flip
while I think the in the video the trick would be no credit as ths skier does not land backwards I still think this flip is different from any flip already approved and would support putting it in the rules with 650 point value

Bruce Cockburn votes YES
2019-10-04
Christophe Duverger comments: my point of view is that trick is a old flip that skiers have been doing for fun for a long time...why not be in the tricks panel but it shouldn\'t be more than a regular  B flip, 500 points...
2019-10-04
Wayne Briant comments: I agree with Christophe,this trick had been done by numerous skiers for fun. It is not a complete rotation and would be very difficult for judges to interpret and judge correctly.
Why would we consider this a trick, when. We deleted front flips done inside the line. If we introduce this we should also make front flips and back to front, 
front flips inside the line new tricks as well. I don\'t see adding it would improve or add any value to the trick event
2019-10-04
Larry Gisler comments: For me the rotation for the flip is never finish so the extra 180 for the turn is not in the execution , if a BFLF is 550  this movement can not be 650
For me is no a trick that we need aprove
Larry Gisler is not voting at this time
2019-10-09
Robert Ritter has read the issue and has no comment
2019-10-10
Nigel Talamo has read the issue and has no comment
Nigel Talamo is not voting at this time
2019-10-19
Geoffrey Kee has read the issue and has no comment
Geoffrey Kee is not voting at this time
2019-10-26
Bob Corson comments: I think this trick is not distinct and different enough to add.
Bob Corson votes NO
2019-10-28
Geoffrey Kee has read the issue and has no comment
Geoffrey Kee is not voting at this time
2019-10-28
Larry Gisler comments: no
Larry Gisler votes NO
2019-10-29
Bruce Cockburn comments: I have been considering this and have changed my mind and will now vote no for this new flip
Bruce Cockburn votes NO
2019-10-29
Jacinta Carroll comments: There is a lot of pre rotation in this flip and not 180 actually performed so I do not feel 150 points is not a viable point value. 
If it was passed I would only feel that its worth 550 however as stated previously, very difficult to interpret and judge therefore I would suggest No.
2019-10-29
Nigel Talamo comments: I\'ll follow gurus Larry and Bruce. No
Nigel Talamo votes NO
2019-10-30
Sergio Font comments: No
Sergio Font votes NO
2019-10-30
Dimos Alexopoulos comments: I agree with Jacintas, larrys and Bruce\'s comments and vote no
Dimos Alexopoulos votes NO

Non-voting members who have
commented and
Voting members who have Voted
Bruce Cockburn - voted No
Christophe Duverger - Commented
Wayne Briant - Commented
Robert Ritter - Commented
Bob Corson - voted No
Larry Gisler - voted No
Jacinta Carroll - Commented
Nigel Talamo - voted No
Sergio Font - voted No
Dimos Alexopoulos - voted No
Non-voting members who have
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Voting members(*) who have not Voted
Jeffry Armstrong
Gill Hill
Candido Moz*
Robin Wright
Glen Williams*
Jose Antonio Perez Priego
Ryan Dodd*
Hannu Rintanen
Stian Lilleberg
Hanifah Yoong Yin Fah
Javier Julio
Felix Loreto
Geoffrey Kee*
Donal Connolly
Paul Fong
Corey Vaughn
Ricardo Botas
Santiago Correa
Mario Pigozzi
Richard Carlson
James Timothy
Georgi Renosto
Dana Garcia*
Peter Frei
Martin Kolman*
Gavin Kelly*